Upworthy's own Franchesca Ramsey joined Latoya Peterson from Racialicious to talk about Eric Garner with Katie Couric.
Former Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said, "You can't just throw your hands up and say ... that's it," to W. Kamau Bell (at the end of a 20-minute chat about not giving up).
So, Franchesca said:

She's referring to the recent shooting of Akai Gurley, a 28-year-old black man who was shot in his own apartment building. This was by a rookie cop who was told not to patrol stairwells like he was doing when the incident occurred.
Things have got to change.
Original panel on Yahoo News. Take a look at the whole interview here.
To read more about the stairway shooting of Akai Gurley, read more on The New York Times. To read more about the death of a mentally-ill woman inside her own apartment at the hands of police, click here.
Fact Check Time: What former Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said about crime being higher in black neighborhoods is actually not true. Crime is higher in poorer neighborhoods, which often happen to be black neighborhoods. There are more poor black neighborhoods as a result of years of systemic racism, including redlining in the 1950s that denied black people housing loans.
Still don't believe me? Then take a look at these black neighborhoods.
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